Dirty Dancing Draws Ire of Plymouth-Canton Parents
Student conduct at Plymouth Homecoming Dance concerns district parents.
Dirty dancing between students at Plymouth’s Oct. 8 Homecoming dance has some parent chaperones irate and seeking answers from the Plymouth-Canton district.
Parents who chaperoned the dance told school board members Tuesday that several groups of students engaged in inappropriate, explicit dancing and violated school dress code by wearing revealing outfits. Given complaints by parents and faculty, a meeting between parents and staff is expected to take place next week.
Before chaperoning at the dance with her husband, Ara, Molle Kabodian of Plymouth said she had heard rumors about what went on at the dances — students packed tight while dancing and “grinding” — but she said she was appalled when she saw it for herself.
She described what she saw as she ventured further into the crowd at the dance as “horrific.” She said the Homecoming Dance should be called the “Homecoming Grind.”
Kabodian described grinding as a male dancer with several females close in front of him dancing while making body contact. She said the girls had their hands on the floor, creating a compromising position.
She said if what she saw had been performed in public, someone would call the police. She said students have posted clips of the dancing on websites such as YouTube.
“I want to know how many girls were touched unwantedly and didn’t know how to handle that,” she said. “It was a really vile, sad sight to see.”
Additionally, Kabodian said she and her husband noticed the girls’ dresses were hiked up high and were revealing.
According to the Plymouth-Canton Educational Park Student Handbook, the dress code includes the following provisions:
- Skirts and/or shorts must be modest (even if worn with leggings), the rule of thumb is that they should be fingertip length.
- Garments may not expose underclothing.
- Shirts must completely cover shoulders.
- No bare midriffs.
- No clothing with sexual content, drug, alcohol, or tobacco references.
- Clothing with references to violence is strictly prohibited.
- No dark tinted glasses or sunglasses.
- Students are not to wear items considered potentially dangerous. This includes but is not limited to, chains of any kind, pointed rings or pendants, metal spikes of any kind or gang symbols, etc.
- Students are not to wear hoods up over their heads while inside the school buildings.
- Teachers retain the right to ask students to remove head wear during class time.
The policy, however, focuses on the dress code's effect in the classroom and does not address school-sponsored functions such as dances.
The policy reads:
Any clothing that distracts any individuals from the focus on learning may be in violation of the dress code.
Interim Superintendent Jeremy Hughes said he had heard similar complaints from faculty and plans were in the works for a meeting between parents and staff next week, where the district will come up with recommendations to resolve the issue.
Peg McNichol
8:17 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Some parents are clearly upset about this situation. As one mom noted (on Canton Patch's Facebook page), her two daughters "looked like lovely young ladies and we were so proud of them..." but "they were both disgusted by what they saw" on the dance floor. What do you think -- what role should school officials play when it comes to student dance moves?
Stephanie
8:42 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
My husband and I have seen and heard too often that school officials and/or other chaperones tend to "turn their heads the other way" and pretend the behavior is not happening. It's this kind of reaction that lets kids think the bad behavior is acceptable or to push the boundaries.
I personally think there should be a "zero tolerance" policy when it comes to this kind of inappropriate behavior. The kids should be given one warning, then sent home if it happens again! And, school officials should not care if this is "inconvenient" or not! It is wrong to continue to subject other well-behaved students to this kind of vile behavior.
At my daughter's homecoming dance, she described chaperones and school officials standing up on platforms around the dance floor to monitor behavior. They were given flashlights to shine on kids that were behaving inappropriately, and would go over and ask them to stop, but the kids went right back to the bad behavior once the chaperone was gone. My daughter said the kids thought it was a big joke. My daughter was VERY uncomfortable and has said she will probably not attend another dance.
School officials have no excuses!!!
Cupsandmagnets
9:09 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Our daughter went to the Canton Homecoming dance with one of her friends and the same thing was happening there. They were both so disgusted, they left after twenty minutes. There has to be an easy solution to correct this problem. Hoperfully, part of that solution starts at home with the parents.
Mike
9:44 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I was so proud of my Daughter who attended the Canton Homecoming. Before the Dance she felt her Regulation length dress was too short for her comfort, and ran back to her room to add some shorts to where under it. Many kids still make good choices. We need to teach our daughters how to handle inappropriate situations; a well placed elbow can help.
Mike Andro
10:37 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Having a great time at school functions is part of the all-around learning experience. This unacceptable behavior should have been addressed by the school board immediately after it occurred. As the voice of the community, the current board has been much too slow in reacting to issues.
Penny Striegel
11:03 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I'm always amazed that this kind of behavior alwys falls back on women or girls. Was inappropriate touching done by males also?
As far as flashig a light on kids who are inappropriately behaving is like child's play-tell the student he is not behaving within the school codes and send him home!
Penny Striegel-old school!
Julie Washburn Harb
11:47 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Isn't it the job of the parent to make sure their child is dressed appropriately for a dance?
Gary Brown
12:57 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011
very true Julie!! Who bought these short dresses to begin with??!! My wife have chaperoned these types of dances in the past and here is what I can say to all of the parents that are complaining, volunteer to be chaperones!! When there less than 10 chaperones and hundreds of kids, it is impossible to be everywhere at once! Also, it 100% true that immediately after you tell them to knock it off, and you leave to go to some other couple doing the same thing, they ALL go right back to doing what they were doing! Stop complaining, stop blaming the schools and volunteer to go and chaperone your kid!!!!!!! Jerry's comment below this one is right on the money!! What kind of parent allows there kid to watch those STUPID reality shows??!!
Julie Washburn Harb
1:01 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
OOPS! I meant that it isn't the schools job!
Debra
1:03 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Was the photograph included in this article taken at the High School? Very disturbing.
John McKay
1:55 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
The photo was taken Friday at the homecoming tailgate, as indicated in the caption, one day before the dance mentioned in the article. It was actually a screen capture from video footage we shot of the festivities. It was included in this story to illustrate students dancing, but is not intended to accuse the pictured students of inappropriate behavior. Their dance was more of a line dance without the close contact parents described.
Joshua Bair
2:03 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I graduated a year ago from PCEP and currently am pursuing a degree in the science of Business Health Administration at Central Michigan University, and yes, I agree that some students take it too far, but wake up already. They are teenage high school students who are at their homecoming. Can you admit that when you were a 17 year old, you never did anything that would be considered disgusting by your own parents? Chances are you were doing the same exact same thing back when you were in high school, so do not criticize the school officials for you trying to control other parents children. I did all of the exact same things these kids did and PCEP was one of the best experiences of my entire life. I would have not gone to any other high school. You can be overprotective over your own child, but do not ruin these kid's high school experience because of your own middle-aged morals. Let the kids be kids. Let them experience and learn on their own and loosen the reigns. Restricting your children will only hinder there chances of being ready for the real world. It's high school, so let them have fun.
To be clear, before you judge me, I am not a radical college student. I have a 3.8 g.p.a. and take education to the most serious extent. It kills me to see more and more restrictions put on these kids. What about all those stories you told us of when you were in high school?
Let these kids make their own.
Joshua Bair
2:17 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Stop pointing the finger at the school. If you don't like what your child is doing, then be an active parent and take responsibility for what YOUR child is doing. Those kids dancing "innapropriately" are not your children, so don't ruin it for everyone else.
Heat
11:52 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
Joshua I am so proud of your comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am also sick of parents blaming schools! The problem now a days is lack of parenting! These things have always gone on, now there is just too much technology that we hear and see it more!!!!!! I have a junior at Canton and I went to Canton so I understand the school and am also proud of it! This happens at EVERY SCHOOL! We have 6200 kids at the park! I think things are handled as well as possible! Be an active parent and step up! It all starts at home......stop blaming the schools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cupsandmagnets
2:18 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Joshua,
The parents writing in response to this issue were not born in the twenties. Today's parents are far more open minded than those from twenty or more years ago. But, I don't recall ever being at a school function where many of the students themselves were uncomfortable over what was happening. My daughter and a number of other students have talked to Administrators about the behavior going on at all three of these Homecoming dances. If one thousand people walk off a bridge, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. No one is trying to create a "Footloose" no dancing policy. But if the students who are paying for the dresses and tickets, etc. are embarrassed by the behavior of many of their classmates, then their is in fact a bigger issue to deal with here.
Joshua Bair
2:39 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Cupsandmagnets,
The only big issue here is the further restrictions being put on the high school activities and the students themselves. If the students who are paying for the dresses and tickets are that embarrassed, then I guess they should not go anymore. There will always be students who do not agree with the actions of others, so it is there own choice to participate or not. Considering there is over 6,000 students attending the Plymouth-Canton Educational Park, there will be some, not many, students who do not have a good time at their own homecoming; whether it be inappropriate dancing, choices made, or to the point they have to go to administration. The majority of students at the park will agree and have a good time at their homecoming regardless. First off, I never said these parents were born in the twenties, but now that you mention it, they should stop acting like it.
Mike
5:00 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Joshua, So to you the kids who are raised properly should be excluded because other kids want to act poorly. I weep for your generation.
Bryan Bentley
5:09 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Trust me Mike, Joshua will be singing a different tune when his little girl heads off to her first dance... LOL
Joshua Bair
5:43 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I never once said that they should be excluded, if they don't like, then don't go. Common sense. It's not that hard to comprehend...well maybe for you two....LOL
Heat
11:58 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
If your kids are raised properly then you have nothing to worry about! They can go to a different part of the dance floor and surround themselves with their friends! You can't protect your kids from life! Stop babying your kids and just listen and teach them that what those kids are doing you think is wrong and just avoid those types of situations. Let them know that you are proud that they don't act like that! Any kid that wants to go should be able to go. Their are ways to stay away from those kids! This has always been an issue in all schools! Don't get on Joshua, he is just telling you from a young students prospective that has been there recently! It takes guts to go on here when everyone just wants to complain about the schools and just want to hear that everyone agrees with their opinion! Way to go Joshua, I agree with you!
Bryan Bentley
2:40 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Chaperones are great, and they should be commended for giving their time up to help make these events possible, but they have no teeth as far as ensuring proper behavior. It is a further detriment when students laugh at them when they try to keep them under control. Simple solution is to have a code of conduct policy presented to the students before the next event, and have a large faculty presence there to oversee. Violations should include, but not be limited to being banned from further extracurricular activities. It won't be popular, but it will be effective.
john nichols
2:54 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
My daughter's choir director made the comment the other night talking to the kids before the concert at Salem. She told the kids that if anyone of us chaperones came to her with an issue, she will beleive the parents that were helping and the student would be disiplined, no questions asked. If the same approached was taken at the dance, I think the kids would learn quick. I would like to know who the staff was that turned the other way and shrugged it off.
Heat
11:59 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
Great comment John!
anonymous
2:56 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Lighten up if you dont want your kids doing that stuff dont let them go. Nobody is forcing people to go. Let us have some damn fun!
Bryan Bentley
3:10 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Interesting that you chose not to attach your name to your comment anonymous. #JustSayin
Heat
12:04 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
I agree people need to lighten up to a point! I don't think kids should be dancing like that, they should have respect for themselves. I agree nobody is forcing them to go, but anyone should be able to go. They however don't have to dance by these people! I am sure there are other places on the dance floor that they could go to. I think you should be able to have fun, but if a chaperon asks you to dance in a less sexual way, you should respect that! Have fun for sure but respect your self and save the Jersey turnpike for Deena :)
frank
3:02 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
None of these parents ever had a swig of liquor before a football game or dance and never ever had pre marital sex. Its funny how people turn into their parents when they have kids. BAN DANCING!!!!!
john nichols
3:13 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Frank, I suppose by your comment, you support the grinding and simulated sex acts as appropiate on the dance floor and we should ignore it?
Joshua Bair
3:19 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
He's not supporting or condoning those acts, just facing reality that you all did the same thing in high school. Stop being naive and face facts. You did the same thing when you were younger. Frank hit the nail on the head. You are just afraid of the idea of your own kids doing the same thing. These parental issues that you need to deal with on your own.
Bryan Bentley
3:44 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Joshua, Not everybody did those things in high school. I never grinded or simulated sex acts at any high school function. I agree with you that parental issues are involved though, but that doesn't excuse violation of the rules, or at least violating decent behavior. Many criminals are a product of bad parenting, but the fact remains that when they break the law, they are punished. Someday you will understand these things...
Joshua Bair
4:01 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Do not talk to me like I am a child. I do understand what your saying, I'm just saying that I am right and you are wrong. This has nothing to do with criminal acts, it has everything to do with overprotective habits of parents. If you don't want your child participating, then don't let them. If the parents complaining don't have proper parenting skills, that's their problem. You can say you didn't do anything bad in high school, but in all honesty, everyone does by the time they graduate. Stop acting like the picture perfect student.
anonymous
3:21 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Bryan your really trying to bash me for not putting my name up here. Im a student at the park and there is no reason for me to put my name up here, all it would do is bring me trouble and honestly its 1 night a year. Also to the parents whose children "complained" I almost certainly guarantee your kid is a freshman and maybe a sophomore as soon as your little daughters hit 16 i guarantee they will be the ones appalling freshman. Seriously its 1 night a year why go off and ruin it for us.
Bryan Bentley
3:48 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Anonymous, It would be a great thing if the Juniors & Seniors set a decent example for the Freshmen & Sophmores. Try it sometime...
anonymous
3:53 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Sophomores* thought I would begin setting a good example by teaching you how to spell:) Also I'm in National Honor Society I truly am a good kid. I've never drank or smoke and i have a 3.5 GPA don't judge me because i speak the truth.
Heat
12:10 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
You are smart to not put your name, most people don't use their first and last name! It all comes down to good parenting and respecting yourself! The kids complaining are just kids who respect themselves and that is fine, they aren't doing it! Next year they can choose not to go if it upsets them that much!
Cupsandmagnets
3:25 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Relax Joshua. Just because " everyone's doing it", that doesnt make it right. Would you also think it's all right if one hundred students starting passing a bong around the dance floor too? And if so, those students who think that is inappropriate shuod just stay home too? Good for you on your grade point average, but you may want to work on your common sense.
Joshua Bair
4:06 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Dear Cupcakes,
This entire discussion's solution is based around common sense, which is why I'm right. For you to compare dancing with using drugs, is just embarrassing on your part. This is not a matter of right and wrong, it is about parents trying to control every single move their children make. They are getting close and touching one another on a dance floor, not passing a bong. Before you respond, make sure you have a valid point that actually makes sense.
Heat
12:13 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
Sorry but I agree with Joshua! You need to relax and talk about the facts! Common sense discussions not comparing what happened to something over the top! What the kids are doing is just showing a lack of respect for themselves! If it isn't your kid, then get over it!
Mark Horvath
3:29 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Many teachers at the park have been concerned about the lack of overall enforcement of the dress code for the past couple of years. A recent survey of PCEP employees indicated that 74% of teachers believe that the dress code is not being enforced. We (Mike Maloney and I) presented this information at a PCCS school board meeting in August 2010 and the board has continued to ignore the concerns of our teachers and parents. Our current board members have done nothing to address this well known issue over the past five years. You have a chance to hold them accountable for their lack of action.
Please go to www.Horvath4Pccs.com./Safety.html to download the full report. You will learn about the frustrating lack of board commitment our teachers experience as they try to enforce the current code of conduct. The problems in the article could be fixed in 24 hours (or even one year ago) if the current board were committed to solving the problem. Their actions over the past 14 months indicate that they are not.
As a candidate for the Plymouth-Canton School Board, I am committed to enforcement of our code of conduct, both in school and school functions. Please support the other "M&M Guys" and me (Mike Maloney, Mark Horvath, Mike Andro and Matt Dame). With the support of concerned parents, we can fix this immediately. Most importantly, please be sure to vote on November 8.
Bryan Bentley
3:53 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Mark, I think you may pick up some votes with your comment... It is definately a 24 hour fix to the problem...
Peg McNichol
4:14 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Mark, Can you clarify the following points: When was this survey conducted and who conducted it? You wrote "recent" but your note here indicates findings were presented more than a year ago and the survey was done in 2009 - is that correct? How many teachers were surveyed; were they all PCEP teachers or throughout the grades in the district. (Part of the report refers to middle school teachers.) What questions were asked and what options were given for answers -- multiple choice or anecdotes? What is the basis for figures on tardies, expulsions and other administrative actions? Your report is not clear on those points. Thanks in advance for clarifying these questions ~ I find the report quite interesting!
anonymous
3:37 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
How does weed have anything to do with what is being talked about. If you have a child at the park talk to them about things you have a problem with. Just because a lot of people were dancing like that doesn't mean that they have to, and also if you don't have a child at the park i don't see why you are concerned about the issue and so quick to judge high school students make sure you have the facts before you make an ass of yourself.
Heat
12:18 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
Your right about them just needing to talk to their kids about right and wrong! Drugs have Nothing to do with this issue! Parents are afraid to talk to their kids about sex and drugs! I have a jr at the park and I talk openly about it as often as possible! Those who think their kids aren't doing things and that they don't need to talk to their kids are the ones who will end up with the big problems!
lns
3:41 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Girls coming dressed inappropriately to dances and just to school in general falls completely on their parents shoulders. I find it disgusting that so many parents in the PCCS district are so hands-off after their kids start attending middle school. Parents need to wake up and take responsibility for their kids! As far as kids not following the rules at dances, dress or behavior, they should be escorted to the door if they don't comply. Children need to learn that there are consequences to their behavior and yes high schoolers are STILL children!
Heat
12:18 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
good response
Bryan Bentley
4:50 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Joshua,
If you think I am talking to like a child, it is because in my opinion, your comments tend to reflect your age. Come talk to me about being an overprotective parent when you have kids of your own young man. As far as me trying to portray myself as being the picture perfect student, I'll be the first one to tell you that I was not. I was just smart enough to keep my indescretions off school property, and that is because ion my time at high school, if you broke the rules, faculty held you accountable. There was no discussion, and most certainly no internet debates about my right to somehow grind and simulate sexual acts on the dance floor at the Homecoming Dance... LOL
Joshua Bair
5:17 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
My comments do not tend to reflect my age, they strictly reflect my opinion. If I had not mentioned that I was a college student, you would not even have a valid argument. When you break the rules at PCEP, you are held accountable. You are right, I am not a parent, but I had an amazing experience at the park. I believe with further restrictions, that this will take away from these kid's opportunity to have the experience that I did. And if your so much older and wiser, stop making this a personal attack and laughing. Your maturity is really shining through.
Heat
12:23 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
I am an adult and a mother of 3 and I have to agree with Joshua! I also went to Canton and had an amazing experience there! Kids need life experiences and we need parents to not baby their kids but parent them at home! This sort of dancing has always gone on everywhere! We just hear more about it now because of the internet! Chaperons should speak up at the dance but let the kids be kids! It isn't all the schools responsibility! They are not the parents!
Bryan Bentley
5:05 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I would just love to be able to send a copy of these kid's comments to them in 20 years when they have kids entering high school. Now that would be a hoot! LOL
Joshua Bair
6:13 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
When I'm reading those comments in 20 years, I'll still believe and laughing at you the same as I am today.
anonymous
5:54 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Jerry you say deal with reality, well that is exactly what all of this is. Josh didnt condone or encouage anything he just stated his opinion. The ignorance and arrogance some of you parents are showing is down right disgusting get off your high horse and just accept what josh is saying. He is a former park student and i am one now we know know more about what is bein discussed than anyone here.
Joshua Bair
6:03 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I'm not an immature child Jerry. Just because I'm younger than you does not mean I am immature. My parents guided me through high school and they taught me the meaning of right and wrong. I have the utmost respect for authority and am not one to cause trouble. You have taken this argument completely out of context and I am dealing with reality. All I've stated is that I believe a little dirty dancing needs to be expected and over-controlling parents who have nothing better to do with their time than chaperone a school dance, need to relax. I have not grown up in a "everyone gets a trophy" environment. I have earned everything I have because I was raised correctly. I am proud to say that my father is by far my best friend, and I am one of the most driven, motivated students. Don't you dare try to describe the life I grew up in. Yes, I am young, but you do not know me.
Joshua Bair
6:06 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
@BryanBentley no one says LOL anymore #nicetry
anonymous
6:12 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
@Bryan Saying that would be a hoot is a little old too just thought I would let you know
Bryan Bentley
8:20 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Joshua Bair
5:43pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I never once said that they should be excluded, if they don't like, then don't go. Common sense. It's not that hard to comprehend...well maybe for you two....LOL
This is one of YOUR comments Joshua. ROFL!!!
Bryan Bentley
8:24 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I'm done debating you and the Anonymous spell checker, I gotta take my Geritol and go to bed... Have A Really Keen Night You Two :)
Joshua Bair
8:26 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I was making fun of you. I thought you'd be able to understand that haha
Peg McNichol
7:02 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Here's what I'd like to read from adults with teens, teens still in school and the college-aged readers: Where do you draw the line between childhood and adulthood. How do you make that transition?
Cupsandmagnets
7:18 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Yikes Joshua and now Anonymous,
You and I and everyone else here is entitled to their opinions. However, the two of you are now embarrassing yourselves in your attacks on those who disagree with you.
Josh, you should be embarrassed for saying a "parent with nothing better to do than chaperone". I don't know you or your parents, but to criticize someone for volunteering their time to be a part of their childrens life ? Pretty lame. And you Anonymous, it is beyond lame to harass someone over a spelling error, especially when you yourself have miserably failed your spelling test. Please go make your corrections now from your 5:54 post. Also, the two of you completely missed the point about my "bong" comment. To clarify for you, I was obviously making a reference of people doing something that is obviously wrong, yet those who think it is wrong are just supposed to accept it.
Joshua Bair
9:27 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
Drugs has nothing to do with this thread and not even a comparison to this topic of dancing. You're point is irrelavent.
john nichols
8:05 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Peg, the staff at the Patch did good on this one, now if all the people that commented on here would come and chaperone the next dance, we will not have a problem.
Mark Horvath
8:28 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
John, Great idea! I have been encouraging parents to get more involved in high school activities for years. While this is a great idea, we also need to hold our staff accountable for enforcing the rules and make sure that when they do enforce the rules that our leaders SUPPORT THEM.
Peg McNichol
8:10 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Thanks for the nice words, John ~ good idea on the chaperones!
John McKay
8:29 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Thanks, John! I vote Bryan to chaperone the next dance. :)
asdfghjkl
11:03 pm on Thursday, October 13, 2011
homecoming is safe. i have never seen anybody go to the extent of havin sex on the dance floor. yes they do grind thats how teenagers dance. go to a club like inferno they do the same thing. plus if your daughter doesnt feel comfortable then you dont have to go to ths middle of the dance floor where its most crowded they can be on the outer parts. and most of the guys that attend are gentlemen and ask if you want to dance vefore they go ahead and dance with you, if you feel embarrassed leave if you feel threatened by grinding leave. yes we are having fun and we have fun with tye situation presented to us because we want to and its not like the guys are forcing us to grind or anything its just 3 saturdays that allow us to have q good time with our classmate and those three homecoming only happen once a year.
frank
5:25 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
BAN BAN BAN, huh Mark. Its a rite of passage to grind and get a chubby at a high school dance. Remember Marty and his MOM getting drunk before the enchanment under the sea dance. Now that was gross, having your mom make the moves on you.
Joshua Bair
9:32 am on Friday, October 14, 2011
It's as simple as this. It is a high school homecoming. Times are different now and to all the parents complaining about how appalled they are by what you're seeing at the dance, then don;t send your child their anymore. If there is students who don't like it, then they don't have to go. PCEP Staff works there tail off keeping that school clean and safe. They have over 6,000 students to look after and don't need parents like you bugging them twenty-four-seven. If you don't like it, then don't go. No one needs your opinion. If you like it, great. If you don't, keep your thoughts to yourself and stop trying to control what other people do.
Peg McNichol
3:13 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
Jerry, that is a great bunch of information ~ but given the it-takes-two nature of this subject, what about the boys' role in this? Where are the guidelines for their behavior?
Peg McNichol
4:19 pm on Friday, October 14, 2011
What I see as a constant theme is these discussions ~ under the retorts about age, spelling and grammar ~ is a question of how adult and teens work through the transition for young people from childhood to maturity. I'm most fascinated by that because this is the core of our society. How to we 'build' good citizens? The 1920s version of this same debate involved flappers and hair bobbing, jazz music and the dirty dancing of the roaring 20s: The Charlston....
elaine
6:10 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011
As a freshman my daughter was in shock after her first homecoming, and so was I sitting in the parking lot waiting to pick her up as two boys simulated having sex with each other inthe parking lot, guys walked out of dance with shirts off. Now as a junior, she chose on her own not to go this year because of all the "horny idiots". While I am happy she made this decision on her own, it is kind of sad that she didn't get to enjoy what is supposed to be a special time in h.s. and I worry that her senior year she will miss out not wanting to attend. She is a good kid, involved in a lot of other activities with a lot of friends...not a loner, just someone that doesn't think this is the "norm".
john nichols
10:52 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011
it would be nice to see this many comments when it comes to increasing class sizes, our lawmakers raiding the school aid fund, the rushing to close Fiegel, and the non renewal of Dr. Fiegel's contract.
RedWings1340
5:17 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011
Reading these comments has really opened my eyes as to how out of the loop some parents are with the times. I went to P-CEP and I will admit, I was one of the girls who dirty danced with the guys as a freshman and continued to do it until my senior prom. Does that make me an immoral, bad kid? No, it most certainly does not. And does that reflect poorly upon my parents and the job they did raising me? Again, no. Children are a product of their environment, but at the same time there are things that parents just cannot control. I remember during the dances that while dancing provocatively was the norm, it was not forced upon anyone and if you didn't want to dance like that anymore all you had to do was walk out of the large group and grab some water or a pop. If students have a problem with the way certain students are dancing at homecoming then they should move to a different area and find other students to hang around. The whole dance floor is not occupied by dirty dancing, just large pockets of it.
I also find it extremely sad that this "mature adult/father" is trying to tear apart a 19-year-old college student to make himself seem superior. Really, sir? I am 21-years-old and know not patronize someone younger than me or show disrespect to someone older than myself. There are ways to convey your ideas and opinions in a respectful way, no matter the age of the person with whom you are talking with. Josh has his opinions as do you & obviously you don't agree.
RedWings1340
5:23 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011
Is it really that important to you that you prove a college student wrong? I think everyone understands that there will be differing opinions on this, specifically between those who have lived it recently and of those whose kids are living it now. Unfortunately, things haven't changed since I was at the Park and I doubt they will any time soon. As much as I want to say it is a parent's job to teach his or her child the different between right and wrong or how to behave during a social event, some kids will just turn the other cheek and do what they want. I'm sure the students who are dancing inappropriately are doing so without their parent's knowledge and probably leave the house looking presentable and put up a facade. It's how kids are these days and for parents to think that just because their child acts innocent before the dance does not mean they will during or after it. I thank my parents for being real, open and honest with me about their past because it made me realize just how similar we all are. Maybe if parents nowadays were more open with their kids about certain issues things might be different during events like these.
Again, I find it extremely disheartening that adults on here are attacking a young man for his point of view. I don't completely agree with everything Josh has said, but as a former P-CEP student I understand where he is coming from. In a situation like this it is easy to point fingers and place blame & that's obviously working well.
Heat
9:45 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011
Great comments RedWings1340! I agree and I am a former student myself (many more years ago), but also a mother of 3 boys! I am an open parent to my Junior at Canton. Sadly, he didn't attend the dance!
Charlie Kaverman
10:27 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I applaud and congratulate the courage, conviction and strong sense of moral decency of the chaperones of the Oct. 8 Plymouth High School homecoming dance. In a world where so many believe everything is OK, it is very comforting to know that there are wonderful role models like Ara and Molle Kabodian who proudly take a stand to fight the decay of Christian values.
Cupsandmagnets
6:50 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I don't think Josh was getting attacted for giving his point of view, but rather for the smug way he was giving his point of view. If he came off as less of a smart ass, his points would have been better received.