Planning Commission Faces Decision on Vacant Gas Station Property
The Plymouth Planning Commission meets Wednesday, and the main item on the agenda is the approval of a new three-story restaurant and retail building next to the Box Bar.
After gaining approval from the Plymouth Historic District Commission last month, the only thing standing in the way of a new three-story restaurant and retail building on the corner of Main Street and Ann Arbor Trail is this week's Planning Commission meeting.
Ed Dombrowski, who owns the property on the southeast corner of Main Street and Ann Arbor Trail, is already advertising space available for retail and restaurants between 500 and 7,000 square feet.
A sign depicting the future structure was put up in front of the property on Jan. 4, just a day before bulldozers began demolishing the existing structure, a long-vacant gas station.
The building Dombrowski is proposing be built on the site is a three-story structure with a food court on the partially sunken first floor, two restaurants or retailers on the second floor and a restaurant with rooftop dining on the third floor.
Dombrowski went before the Planning Commission last month, along with business partner Omar Hamdan and architect Ali Raichouni.
The commission listed several problems they had with the plans, the biggest ones being parking, the partially underground first level and trash collection.
The city requires buildings with so much "usable area" to provide a certain number of off-street parking spaces. According to the formula, this building would require 17.
Chip Falcusan, owner of the Box Bar next door to the property, brought up even more parking concerns of his own at the last City Commission meeting on Jan. 3.
He estimated that a structure like the one proposed would require 87 parking spaces for employees alone, and that Plymouth does not currently have that kind of parking available.
"There aren't 87 parking spaces in inventory in the Plymouth area, except behind the Penn Theatre. And then the Penn would have no parking for itself," Falcusan said. "I don't think we want to see this happen in the Plymouth area."
Dombrowski is confident that the changes the team has made to the plans will satisfy the Planning Commission and that the plan will be approved.
He said if it does get approved, they plan to start construction in the spring or as soon as the weather permits.
frank
7:42 am on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Of course the Box is going to object to this, its direct competition to them. I wonder if the Box has enough parking spaces. Been there plenty of times and every spot on the street and in the lot next door has been taken, but the Box has been 50% full.
That gas station has been closed for as long as I can remember, its time for something to go in that spot.
stayaloft
8:31 am on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Regardless of parking spaces, this is just the type of development Plymouth needs. Plymouth residents cannot solely support our downtown businesses, we need folks from other communities co come into our city and spend their money here. It's just a fact, you need restaurants. Barring a reservation, people from surrounding communities won't come here if they're concerned that the few restaurants we have now will be filled or will have long waits for a table. We need an atmosphere where people will say to themselves "Let's go to downtown Plymouth, we can walk around a bit, shop, and find a place to get dinner and a drink - there are so many great places to choose from" . We're getting there, folks, but we need to encourage development, not stifle it.
I think the greater conversation that needs to be had is when will the city build a parking structure with the capacity the city needs to support it's businesses and the surrounding community? It's not just about parking spaces, it's about whether or not we want a thriving, vibrant family friendly destination within our community. I do! Don't kill off a plan that has the potential to create jobs, and bring people into our community over a few parking spaces! A thriving downtown benefits all of us in terms of tax revenue. It also entices people to move to our community and thus boost real estate values ( and property tax revenues).
Debra
10:39 am on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
I support the project! That corner has been vacant for a long time and it is a prime spot for any business. Parking is not a problem, Plymouth handles special events, concerts and activities nearly every week with good attendence because people do find places to park. The best example is the Friday night summer concerts in the park. We should welcome new business in our community and think.... jobs, revenue and positive growth!
denise
10:40 am on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Awesome, it means the economy is improving! I agree with the post prior, maybe the city needs another parking structure. Build it...the rest will come. Have faith in the process!
Kelly
12:24 pm on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
I'm not in love with the design of the building--it's blocky and ugly, honestly. For such a prime piece of real estate across from the park, I wish the owner and architect had tried a little harder for something beautiful and architecturally interesting. We only get one shot to build something nice there--to me, this proposal isn't it. Where is the outdoor dining options? people in this town LOVE eating outdoors, and if there isn't a rooftop or streetlevel dining I think he's missing a big opportunity. I do like the idea of more restaurants and bars, we need that (only if they have good food though, too many of our restaurants are gross). As for parking, it is a real concern and one the commission really needs to think about...although I live in downtown and walk so maybe it would push our home values higher to have walking to downtown become the only option!??!
Nan Cooper
5:37 pm on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
What was the Historic commission thinking1!!!?? That's an ugly building. That gas station has been standing there empty for a very long time. Can't we now take our time and put something up in that spot that would make us proud. Boo Hiss.
Nan
4-8-1-7-0
5:55 pm on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
The parking is a HUGE issue. The city HAS to think about this. How can you expect to attract the aformentioned non-plymouth dwellers when they won't even have a place to park?
Additionally, the Box Bar SHOULD have a say...they have been in Plymouth, stayed in Plymouth and weathered the bad times in Plymouth. Some random food court adding sub-standard food to the downtown is only going to put other places out of business...creating more vacancies.
frank
6:29 pm on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
So whats that say about the other restaurants if "sub standard" food is going to put them out of business. How about this novel idea, USE YOUR FEET TO WALK. Park somewhere in town, WALK to the corner and do your eating, drinking, etc. And just maybe on the way youll pass another shop and do business there too. These old buildings we celebrate were built when there was no need for parking, there were no cars. People walked.
4-8-1-7-0
10:42 pm on Tuesday, January 11, 2011
To me, a three-story food court is not what the town is about, it's like bringing Wal-Mart to our downtown. I live downtown, I walk all over, but I realize that our city has to thrive on more than just those of us in walking distance.
Fast food in general is sub-standard...and yet McDonald's continues to be wildly successful. It's not about the quality, or the experience, it's about the cheapness and efficiency. I'm not sure those are the traits we want the establishments in downtown Plymouth to be about.
Michelle
11:43 am on Monday, January 17, 2011
It’s a great project I support it, Competitions are good and will bring the best in free market economy.
Having more shops and restaurants will give our community members and guests more choices, greater experience, and make our downtown more attractive.
Having this building and generating more taxes is greatly needed, maybe the city will resolve the old parking problem by building or adding more to the parking structures.
Nancy McDonald
5:45 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
Does the City of Plymouth really need more restaurants & retail? Aren't there enough for the size of the city. Parking is so bad it deters many people from coming to the weekend festivals , shows & events in the downtown area. Wouldn't it be a better idea to enlarge the existing parking structure downtown -ie: add a 3rd & 4th level? It is constantly filled on weekends, leaving cars driving around looking for parking. Many just leave without ever getting out of their cars to see whatever it was they wanted to attend.
As for that corner lot, how about just having a quiet corner with park benches for people to sit on for the concerts on Wed., Thurs & Fri. pm's? I realize this will not bring in any income for the property owner or the city , but it would be a nice place to sit with your ice cream, cupcake pastries or coffee etc. purchased in the downtown area.
Nan Cooper
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
Add "Ugly building" to that list of problems found by the Planning Commission.
N Cooper