Six Months Into Fire Merger, Officials Report Smooth Transition
Plymouth, Northville firefighters share resources, costs to cover two communities.
It’s been six months since the cities of Northville and Plymouth merged fire services, and officials say the transition has been smooth.
The joint operations kicked off Jan. 1 after the City of Plymouth sought more cost-effective ways to provide fire services in its community. It had previously contracted services through Plymouth Township's department, but began exploring options in 2005 before ultimately passing an agreement with Northville in 2011.
The move changed how Plymouth provided fire services to its residents. Under its previous agreement with Plymouth Township, full-time firefighters responded to emergencies in the city and township. Northville, however, utilizes a paid on-call system where firefighters are paid hourly during fire calls, but do not regularly work out of a station. If a fire breaks, firefighters head from home to the fire station and board a truck, or respond directly to the scene.
Since Jan. 1, the combined departments have conducted more than 750 runs in both communities, with paramedic assistance by Huron Valley Ambulance, a private ambulance contractor.
The move also resulted in a new fire station in downtown Plymouth adjacent to City Hall and the Plymouth Police Department. The move also reopened an old station on Spring Street — on the other side of the CSX railroad tracks from Plymouth’s primary downtown station — to keep a spare pumper truck available.
Firefighters have same qualifications as full-time personnel
The switch from full-time coverage to paid on-call has alarmed some in Plymouth who feel the service is a step down from what the city previously offered.
"This is a downgrade," Patch reader "John" said in a comment on a story about a June condominium fire in downtown Plymouth. "Plymouth needs a full-time fire department."
Plymouth City Manager Paul Sincock said one misconception of the new fire service model is that the paid on-call firefighters aren’t as qualified as their full-time counterparts at other departments. In reality, he said, they all hold the same state certifications.
“It doesn’t matter if you’re full-time or part-time,” Sincock said, “You’re required to have the same training. We have people here who have 30-plus years of experience.”
Patch reader Linda Johnson said she is "frustrated" with the public not knowing the qualifications of the paid on-call firefighters and said she feels comfortable with the personnel responding to emergency calls.
"I know several of them and I know their qualifications which are on par with the full-time firefighters," she wrote in a comment.
The new model for Plymouth mirrors what has been in place for years in Northville.
Jim Allen, the combined department’s fire chief, is a veteran firefighter in Northville. Joining the department as a firefighter in 1964, Allen was the city’s first — and only — full-time firefighter, earning a full-time schedule in 1995, 17 years after being named chief in 1978.
“It’s always been paid on-call,” he said of the Northville department, and he says that model is used in about 70 percent of cities nationwide.
With the larger department, Allen said he manages about 60 paid on-call firefighters distributed equally between the two cities, and the department sees plenty of firefighters able to respond to local fires and emergencies.
When a small condominum fire broke in Plymouth in June, a total of 39 firefighters responded, with about half assisting at the scene of the fire and the rest filling the Plymouth station with a spare truck in case backup was needed, or if another call came through elsewhere.
In the midst of Green Street Fair in May, a Plymouth garage fire consumed two cars and caused a series of explosions. For that fire, Sincock said, 30 firefighters were at the home fighting the blaze.
“We’ve got a good bunch of eager people and a good amount of experience,” Allen said.
Response times similar to previous model
During negotiations to merge the departments and adopt a paid on-call system, some residents had objected, citing concerns over longer response times by not having fully staffed fire stations.
To date, the average response time for calls in 2012 has been 8.5 minutes, up from 7.2 minutes the previous year, an increase of 1.3 minutes.
“The response times are well within the parameters we’ve established,” Sincock said.
“They’re pretty comparable,” Allen said about the gap in response times, though the chief said he’d like the times to be a little shorter.
Allen said because of increased personnel, more people are able to respond to emergencies than under the previous system, where a smaller group of firefighters would be able to respond.
Communities encounter small hiccups with merger
While the numbers indicate a relatively seamless transition in responding to fire calls, Sincock said there have been some small bumps along the way.
One issue was with dispatch, getting all the communications equipment fully compatible between stations, and ironing out communication issues between dispatchers and firefighters across both communities so personnel are all using consistent language to relay information during emergencies.
“Any organization, you get a little bump in the road,” Sincock said.
Merger left township with budget shortfall
The departure of the city from its agreement left Plymouth Township with a nearly $1 million shortfall in funding that would have been provided by the city for shared fire services and just two-thirds of its previous coverage area, prompting layoffs of six full-time firefighters in March and a reduction of 23 percent of the township’s fire budget.
The cuts drew fierce opposition from the fire union and its supporters as the Plymouth Township Board of Trustees voted for what it considered “right-sizing” the department.
Department pushes for community outreach
Plymouth's firefighters have done their part to reach out to the community, so residents are familiar — and comfortable — with the new firefighters and department, Sincock said.
Increased visibility of firefighters in the community, he said, has helped win over some who were skeptical of the new department.
“Residents’ reaction is this is really cool to see the fire station and seeing our crews out on the streets doing their training,” he said.
The city also sends firefighters to downtown events, such as the Friday night Music in the Air concerts, to give children plastic fire hats and give tours of the trucks, as well as replacing flags at the Plymouth Historical Museum and filling up dunk tanks at Central Middle School.
“They’re seeing a lot of community involvement,” Sincock said of residents.
And Sincock said it is important to relay to the community the firefighters’ — and Huron Valley Ambulance's — accomplishments.
“We do that with all of our employees. We think that’s important,” he said. “Technically they’re the City of Northville employees, but they’re on our team.”
Fire merger by the numbers
Population (2010 U.S. Census):
Plymouth: 9,132
Northville: 5,970
Fire/EMS calls (as of July 3, 2012):
Plymouth: 483
Northville: 285
Average Plymouth response time since merger:
Before merger: 7.2 minutes
Since merger: 8.5 minutes
Hourly rate for paid on-call firefighters:
Fire run: About $20/hour
Special events: About $10/hour
Training: About $18/hour
Ocelot Madness
11:36 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Its nice hearing that the new fire department is working well. I think the township could learn something by having their part-timers get out in the public, so people could get to know them better as well
Nancy Janoch
1:20 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
The firefighters may have the same firefighting training.....but are all the paid-on-call firefighters certified paramedics in ALS? I don't think so.
And how do you measure the response time now? From the first human to show up....be it a police officer, a paid-on-call guy, or who? Before the merger the first on call was ALWAYS a certified paramedic.
Sometimes you need to read between the lines in these articles, and know the real story.
Scab
3:40 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Please check your facts. Last time i checked.. The full time "professional" fire fighters of Plymouth Township contracted through HVA paramedics, you know the same people that the City of Plymouth fire dept contracts through. So by the time the "professional ALS fire fighter arrive to the "dire emergency" which we all know in EMS is ofcourse about 99.9 percent of the calls..... atleast the "professional fire fighters" are there to atleast stat a line before you know HVA takes over.
Nancy Janoch
2:44 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Very well said, Scab! Truth be told! :)
parnell johnson
1:39 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Well most of the paid on call firemen are retired as you say fulltime professional firemen from other communities with paramedic and als experience so now what is your point
John McKay
2:26 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
From the Northville FD website: "Our personnel are certified by the State of Michigan at the Fire Fighter I or II level, and hold EMS licenses from the State of Michigan.
The Department provides fire suppression and basic life support (BLS) emergency medical services in the Cities of Northville and Plymouth, operating from two stations."
The city also employs Huron Valley Ambulance EMS services for ALS services, as stated in the story.
I will say that the model currently used is nearly identical to other communities I've covered (all that had 13,000 or fewer residents).
John
3:17 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Firefighter I and II is the bare minimum. All full time departments require at least an associated degree and some require a 4year education. The department downgraded from ALS which is advanced life support to basic life support. The difference is so vast that is boarder line dangerous.
Its literally the difference of having a person who is a lateral step from being a RN and a life guard. What would you rather have??? A Patamedic who can administer life saving drugs and perform in field intubation or a person who can only perform CPR.
Having HVA is waste as well. While they may be the most professional private ambulance company around SE Michigan, the money spent on them could be spent on a full time department who could perform all the duties that HVA can with a more personalized feel.
Scab
3:43 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Plymouth Twp fire fighters do not all hold a 4 year education! Please prove me wrong. Most fire fighters don't even hold an associated degree.. And i am sorry you probably lost your job John, maybe next time you will learn to take a pay cut like the rest of the world. In todays world and especially a dept that runs only about 2000 calls a year. Everyone should be happy they have any one coming to their aid today, look at other departments in the state of Michigan.
Nancy Janoch
2:23 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Totally agree with you John. Also, it was said that first responders in the City were now police officers...with none of this training. So wonder what the REAL response time is that a paramedic...be it city or Huron Valley..arrives at the scene? I have heard all sorts of response times on this....none of which is under the 8 minutes mentioned in this article.
John
3:58 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Take my post as my opinion as a resident. I assure you I am not a Plymouth firefighter. And I did not say that all Plymouth firefighters hold 4 year educations. Even though 2 of the men laid off were register nurses as well...
Comparing someone who holds a certification and someone who dedicated their life to a profession is unfair. Would you rather have a Police officer or a security guard???
And, yes, the new age full time Profesional firefighter is educated. WELL educated.
And why should a firefighter take a pay cut?? Because they're beneath you? They don't deserve to work full time if you can't... Sound very petty.
ecnalubma
4:13 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hi to those with a dog in this race. I think the real issue here is the timely service of Emergency Services. Study after study indicates that a condition known as flash over occurs in less than 10 minutes after the fire reaches the Smoldering stage. At the smoldering stage we often see smoke detectors alarm and then the fire department is summoned to the home. Most recent studies have shown that flashover occurs around the 9 minute mark; flashover is when temperatures reach a point of spontaneous combustion of everything in the space, rendering it uninhabitable. So these response times are not that good. This average indicates to me that 50% of the time the fire department is arriving after the 8.5 minute mark, and this article says nothing about the time it takes to get a Firefighting crew at the incident prepared and equipped to fight the fire, now I’m speaking of residential fires, in non-sprinkler buildings, furthermore; nothing is said that you may have a 10% less chance of surviving a major medical incident with the added response time, using American Heart Assoc information.
ecnalubma
4:13 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
And the residents’ may be more familiar with the department, but fire prevention is not the handing out of trinkets, filling dunk tanks, or replacing flags! What has the department accomplished in fire prevention, how many businesses have been inspected. The true determination of a good prevention program is the lack of fires, and the diminishing number of violations that are caught by the Fire Inspectors. Nice start Northville FD, but it looks like a lot of room for improvement to get to the service level once provided by Plymouth Township Fire Department.
Ocelot Madness
4:25 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I suggest everyone takes a look at the numbers. EMS in an average year covers at least 75% of all emergency runs in Plymouth. Covering these shouldn't be a problem since HVA has supplied plenty of Ambulances throughout the community. Fire runs cover the last 25%, but like Nancy's comment above, the # of fire runs is overstated because the fire firefighters count going to a house with a fire truck when an ambulance is already present as a fire run. Now that is absurd. In short, these is no reason the new models can't work, especially since most of the country uses a model that is something other than just a full-time department. If it works for most of the country, why can't it work for Plymouth?
ecnalubma
5:35 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Madness: Please lets us all know how these run numbers are fudged, sounds like a little something smells in Plymouth!? The model you speak of protects less than 38% (source NFPA & USFA) of the Nation’s population. How can you conclude that this is most of the country? And as best that I can tell, Career firefighters protect over 80% of this country’s wealth (property). You need to check your facts or express them better.
Linda Johnson
9:47 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
It's interesting that when I attend the city of plymouth board meetings I never hear any negative remarks from any of the city residents. But yet, when I come here, it's the same old song and dance. Seems to me the laid off plymouth township firefighters have a lot of time on their hands and like to frequent these sites. I imagine they're still stinging due to their incompetent union leadership. But hopefully now that they've elected a new union leader perhaps this one won't make the same mistakes. If anyone here who is a city resident has a beef with the fire department then show up to the board meeting and let your feelings be known. Til then, you'll be nothing more than a whiner.
ecnalubma
10:38 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Linda:
You can try to deflect the reader from the published truth here. Response times are slower, if you call for a fire you will have a better chance of waiting longer than before the City of Northville started providing service. I will separate my views from others here. I do not believe that our local fire departments should be in the Ambulance Transport Business. With 75%+ of these runs being medicals, it stands to reason that paramedic/transporting departments will get caught doing medical service when a fire is reported. HVA is good, if not the best, service in Michigan. EMS should be regionalized and HVA is accomplishing this, too bad they have become, in some instances, the whipping child for a lot of this debate, but you ma'am cannot deflect from the published facts, no matter how much you whine.
John
6:01 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Why would want to pay HVA to do a job that the fire department we had was fully capable of doing? They provided fire suppression and full ALS care including transport capabilities. On a 24/7 basis with better response times!
Ecnalubma, very well said. And your stats about national coverage are spot on.
Nancy Janoch
2:36 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
John & Ecnalumba...my only problem is that articles like these, which are read by the general public, most oftenly have the facts misrepresented or skewed to the left or the right. I still want to know the response times, based on the 1st EMS or ALS person arriving at the scene....info I am afraid will not ever be released to the public.The best political "spin" will always be told by members of the press. As for the whiners...not me.....I have attended almost every Township meeting on this topic, and have spoken at almost all of them. I do NOT whine...I take my citizenship, in both the City & Township seriously so Linda....just ask me what you want instead of placing blame on responsible citizens. Thanks much.
ecnalubma
5:10 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Nancy:
You are true. It is impossible for most authors (reporters) to leave their personal biases at the curb when they do their job; I guess that it is human nature. As I understand many departments record their response time as when the wheels are turning. In other words, the clock does not start at the time of the call; the “Response” time is while the vehicle is in route or moving. You could get a better idea if you purchase a digital scanner a listen for yourself.
parnell johnson
1:54 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
To ecnalubma
Your 80% career fire fighters is a little off the mark, there are more part paid, paid on call and true volunteer fire departments and even contract fire departmnets in the US then there are full time career firefighters. Troy Michigan is a true volunteer fire department and it is way larger city then Plymouth and it works just fine.
ecnalubma
5:11 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Parnell:
Thank you for keeping me straight; but please read what I said again. The 80% represents the value $ of the country, not the number of volunteer department, and I still believe that career firefighters protect the majority of the citizens and property value ($) in the nation. Troy FD actually refers to themselves as a volunteer/combination department with 6% of the department being comprised of career members.